Velocity Micro CineMagix Grand Theater
Manufacturer: Velocity Micro Part number: GRANDTHEATER
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- Velocity Micro's first full-fledged home theater PC pulls very few punches in providing a complete digital media experience. It's big, it lacks a built-in audio receiver, and it invites PC gaming into the living room, which has never been the best fit. It's also the victim of a few Vista-related growing pains. On balance, though, Velocity Micro has as complete a home theater PC as we've seen.
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CNET editors' review
Velocity Micro CineMagix Grand Theater price range: $1,599.00
- Reviewed by: Rich Brown
- Reviewed on: 02/12/2007
- Released on: 01/30/2007
The good: Clean-lined design; takes advantage of all the new Vista media-oriented features, such as HD video and CableCard support; strong application and 3D performance; more bang for the buck than the home theater PC competition; outstanding Blu-ray video quality.
The bad: Big chassis; no built-in audio receiver; beta graphics card drivers can't handle component video output; game-friendly configuration, but PC gaming in the living room is problematic.
The bottom line: Velocity Micro's first full-fledged home theater PC pulls very few punches in providing a complete digital media experience. It's big, it lacks a built-in audio receiver, and it invites PC gaming into the living room, which has never been the best fit. It's also the victim of a few Vista-related growing pains. On balance, though, Velocity Micro has as complete a home theater PC as we've seen.
The first thing we thought when we got a look at the CineMagix Grand Theater on the show floor at this year's CES was that its case was huge. When you hold it up to a standard home theater component such as a DVD player, a cable box, or even a gaming console, it looks like you could fit all three of those devices inside this one, though the CineMagix is actually about average in size compared with other similar systems. Of course, it can do almost all of the things that those devices do, but we imagine that some of you might find its 6.75x17x16.5-inch measurements (HWD) a hard sell in the living room. At least its brushed-black-aluminum case is attractive, with no Intel or Microsoft badges on the front. There's also no SideShow screen or other built-in front panel LCD tied directly into Windows, which we've seen on other HTPCs. Its spare LED display that shows track data and other basic info does its job well, though, and overall the screen adheres to the CineMagix Grand Theater's clean-lined aesthetic.
Any way you want it--almost
So what can it do? We've already mentioned the Blu-ray disc burner, for one. This configuration has plenty of video output options, although some functions are currently limited by Nvidia's Vista drivers for the included GeForce 8800 GTS graphics card. Velocity Micro lets you configure whatever cables are appropriate to your current home theater hardware when you configure your CineMagix Grand Theater, so if you need DVI-D-to-HDMI you have that option, but you can also go out via component or straight-up DVI. Using the Pioneer PRO-FHD1 as our current reference TV, we connected the system via a DVI-D-to-HDMI adapter, then later we connected it with component cables, for those of you with older HDTVs.
Over HDMI, the CineMagix Grand Theater delivered outstanding Blu-ray movie playback, much better, in fact, than an HD-DVD test system that Nvidia submitted to us to check out its PureVideo HD video-decoding capabilities. For the record, though, we attribute the Nvidia system's less-than-perfect performance to early PureVideo HD code, rather than to any superiority of one HD format to another.
We like the movie Crank for video testing for two reasons. The first is that it's awesome. The second is because its scenes have very high bit rates, perfect for determining whether a player will deliver smooth playback. The Velocity Micro system didn't even blink. Its image quality was also on a par with that of the PlayStation 3's Blu-ray output. The only time we had to mess with the video driver settings was when we changed the output resolution to 1,920x1,080 (aka 1080p).
Component video, on the other hand, doesn't work. Our video image alternated from red and white, blue and white, or black and white, never once settling on proper color output. Velocity Micro said that with an older GeForce 7000-series card you won't have this problem, as those cards are fully Vista ready. We also know that Nvidia is working on getting its GeForce 8000 software to where it should be, and that Velocity Micro has informed Nvidia of the issues we saw. Because a GeForce 7000-series card costs less and its video capabilities are ready now, we suggest you opt for one of those cards in this system if you don't plan to use it to play games. For gamers, though, we recommend taking the lumps on the beta drivers in the short term, because the GeForce 8800 GTS graphics card will reward you down the stretch. Of course, you have to be one determined gamer to play games with a home theater PC. We'll get to that in a minute.
That's the way you need it (in digital)
Before that, we'll talk about the CineMagix Grand Theater as a TV receiver. An ATI TV Wonder 650 Pro card comes standard and will take care of your analog cable, over-the-air HD, and FM radio reception needs. Your other option is CableCard. Velocity Micro didn't send us a CableCard-enabled unit, but the company does give you the option via an internal ATI TV Wonder Digital Cable card for an extra $140. Windows Vista is the first operating system with native CableCard support; if it's available in your area and you don't mind losing out on pay-per-view and interactive menus (since current PC-based CableCard can only send and can't yet receive a signal), you might consider it. Heck, we'd go CableCard just to get rid of the stupid IR blaster you need to tie an analog tuner and your cable box together with one remote. Velocity Micro also let you add two tuners, analog or digital, if you want to watch TV on one channel and record on another. We still think PC-based analog cable has poor image quality compared to that of your typical cable box setup, so for straight TV viewing, you're probably better off sticking with your current cable box and adding this PC as a complementary device. As for CableCard and a digital signal, we're going to conduct some extensive PC CableCard testing shortly, so stay tuned for an in-depth look at the whole experience.
Audio output for the CineMagix Grand Theater is actually tied into a number of system-related factors. From a straight, out-of-the-box connectivity standpoint, you should find everything you need here as long as you intend to go out to a receiver you already own or a set of PC speakers. If you want to connect a set of traditional home theater speakers directly to this system, you'll need a separate receiver. Velocity Micro says it plans to offer a specialized, PC-oriented external digital audio receiver from a company called SimpliFi within a week. We're curious about that idea, but if the price is already overwhelming and you really want to cut down on living room hardware, you'll be annoyed that the CineMagix Grand Theater lacks a built-in receiver of its own. Other high-end HTPCs have gone that route, and while it adds to the cost, we think people who hope an HTPC will cure all of their home theater ills will find an integrated receiver preferable. We should also add that unlike the last gaming PC we reviewed from Velocity Micro, this system is for the most part whisper quiet.
Faithfully
For the CineMagix Grand Theater's overall PC performance, we're glad to see that Velocity Micro stays true to its high-end PC roots. At the heart of this system, Velocity Micro includes a 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 processor, which makes this the first system we've seen with Intel's new, more mainstream quad-core chip. You can also select more and less expensive Intel dual-core and quad-core chips, and the lower-end models will knock a significant chunk off the price. In addition, you get 2GB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM and two 400GB Seagate 7,200rpm hard drives in a RAID 0 configuration, for 800GB of total storage. You can add more hard drive storage as well, up to 2.25TB between four 750GB drives. An Intel 975X BadAxe II chipset motherboard ties it all together. Okoro, Niveus, and the other high-end home theater vendors also offer similar specs in their competing systems, but we found that all of their PCs came in $1,000 to $1,500 higher than the Velocity Micro.
The Core 2 Quad chip helped the Velocity Micro on our performance tests, but we wonder how this system would perform with a 10,000rpm hard drive. We have a feeling that the AMD-based Shuttle XPC P2 2700g benefited from its faster spinning 10,000rpm drive on our benchmarks. Velocity Micro doesn't offer the option in the CineMagix Grand Theater, but we expect most of you will find this system's current performance more than adequate.
As far as gaming performance, at first glance, the aforementioned Intel motherboard seems strange because it supports ATI's CrossFire dual graphics card technology but not Nvidia's SLI. You'd need support for the latter to add a second GeForce 8800 GTS card to this system. Granted, Nvidia's current Vista drivers also lack SLI support, but we trust that someday they will support SLI. Velocity Micro explained to us that it paired an Nvidia 3D card with a non-SLI dual graphics slot motherboard because the Intel board is Viiv-compliant (whatever that means), while an Nforce 680i SLI motherboard is not. More importantly, Intel's 975X boards have Dolby Master Audio support and also have the requisite sound chips for maintaining digital audio output via the aforementioned SimpliFi receivers. Velocity Micro likes those features better than, say, a Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi card, for current home theater setups that include traditional speakers. We agree. The only people that might disagree are gamers, but chances are any gamers shopping for a HTPC are already aware of the limitations they will face with a living room PC.
Separate ways, worlds apart
Aside from the lack of even the possibility of SLI graphics, the CineMagix Grand Theater and GeForce 8800 GTS combination delivers strong 3D gaming performance. For the moment, our game tests stick with standard 4:3 resolutions, so we don't have any wide-screen numbers that would apply to PC gaming on a 1080p wide-screen TV. Still, pixel count is pixel count, and the Velocity Micro's scores at 1,600x1,200 give you a good idea of its performance at 1080p, which is only greater by about 150,000 pixels. With no true next-gen PC games out yet, we can't say what performance will be like when those titles start to hit at the end of this year; for current games, we're confident that this system will play any game on the market, with most, if not all, of the image-quality settings dialed up.
The other issue gamers and everyone else should think about is how to use a PC to its fullest from your couch. Velocity Micro includes a Microsoft Remote keyboard, mouse, and remote control by default with this system. You can also opt out of an input device altogether or upgrade to a Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 7000. There's no perfect solution here, and it's one of our hang-ups with home theater PCs. We don't really expect that you'll be typing a dissertation on your TV, so it's reasonable to think that you might spend most of your time driving this system with the standard Windows remote control. Velocity Micro even configured the CineMagix Grand Theater to boot directly into the Windows Media Center interface. You'll want to pop out to Windows to arrange directories and configure settings (for which Velocity Micro provides a thorough user guide), but it's convenient that once everything is set up, Velocity Micro makes it easy to put your mouse away.
Gaming on a PC in your living room, though, is difficult at best. Many PC games don't lend themselves well to game pad control. Windows Vista's support for Xbox 360 controllers and the ability of Vista gamers to play across the network with Xbox Live gamers ensures the Velocity Micro CineMagix Grand Theater can deliver a fairly decent gaming experience. But the idea of playing World of Warcraft on a remote keyboard is dismal, and for most shooters, you can look forward to getting your butt kicked by traditional mouse-and-keyboard players online. As for cross-platform gaming, Microsoft seems to be making only a half-hearted push. A few games have been announced that will debut on both the Xbox 360 and the PC at once. Halo 2 will also have a PC version out soon. But with Halo 3 coming out as an Xbox 360 exclusive this fall, it's apparent that Microsoft is still protective of its console. We should also add that the Xbox 360 threatens the very concept of a Windows-based home theater PC, since it can act as a Media Center Extender and receive streamed media, including CableCard recordings, from a less expensive traditional computer.
Wrapping up the features discussion, we think networking is an all-important consideration for a home theater PC. Assuming you have a traditional desktop or laptop at home as well, you're going to want to transmit your media from one device to another, and many people will also want to minimize living room cable clutter. Our CineMagix Grand Theater review unit came with dual 10/100/1000MBps standard network adapters. Velocity Micro also offers an 802.11b/g adapter for an extra $59, and it plans to add wider bandwidth 802.11n in the future.
Velocity Micro's default support plan with the CineMagix Grand Theater covers you for the standard year with toll-free tech support hours from 4 a.m. to 8 p.m. PT Monday through Friday, and from 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. PT on Saturday. You can extend the warranty for a longer duration and for 24/7 emergency phone support. Velocity Micro's Web site provides extensive support resources, as well.
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System configurations:
iBuyPower Value 640
Windows Vista Home Premium; 2.13GHz Intel Core 2 Duo E6400; Intel P965 Express chipset; 1,024MB 677MHz DDR2 SDRAM; 256MB Nvidia GeForce 7600 GS; 320GB Seagate 7,200rpm Serial ATA hard drive
Polywell Poly i680 SLI
Windows XP Professional SP2; 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700; 2,048MB DDR2 SDRAM 800MHz; 768MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX; (2) 150GB Western Digital 10,000rpm Serial ATA/150 hard drives (RAID 0)
Shuttle XPC P2 2700g
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005; 2.4GHz AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+; 2,048MB DDR2 SDRAM 667MHz; 512MB Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX; 150GB Western Digital 10,000rpm SATA
Velocity Micro CineMagix Grand Theater
Windows Vista Home Premium; 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600; 2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM; Intel 82975X BadAxe II chipset; 640MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS; (2) 400GB Seagate 7,200rpm hard drives (RAID 0)
User reviews
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Good System with Some Bugs
by allen314159 on May 13, 2007
Pros: All in 1 system sits nicely with other living room components, high-end configurations available, company was initially responsive to my calls and kept my informed with the status of my order
Cons: Loud CPU fan, Buggy video driver (Vista's or nVidia's fault?), Not enough USB motherboard connections to accomodate all selected components, long delay in shipping, slightly expensive
Summary: I was looking for an all-in-one system to put in my living room for all entertainment purposes (music, movies, TV), so I found the HTPC to be the best option. ...
Summary: I was looking for an all-in-one system to put in my living room for all entertainment purposes (music, movies, TV), so I found the HTPC to be the best option. Although building the system from ground up would've been cheaper, I wanted a PC which was pre-built for this purpose so I wouldn't have to build it and worry about the hassles of conflicting components. Currently there are only a few options for this, Velocity Micro has one of them.
I originally purchased the AMD version, and since there was a large delay in shipping (over 2 months) due to the delay in the cablecard reader. Velocity Micro (VM) allowed me to convert to the Intel version (which was selling for around $200-$300 more) for free. Long story short, I finally got my system, and I connected it to a Westinghouse 47" LCD in my living room along with an Onkyo HT-S790 7.1 speaker setup.
Overall I am happy with the system. However there are a couple of small problems I've had. When I connected it up, the front side USB ports weren't working. I found out that there wasn't an internal cable connecting it to the motherboard! I called tech support, and they said they would send me cables or have a technician come out (on site). Anyway that was a few days ago, and I haven't had any success getting ahold of tech support (I keep gettting an answering machine). It turns out there aren't enough extra USB motherboard ports (4) to connect the cablecard reader (1, which is simultaneously a PCI card?), media card drive (1), front IR sensor (1), and two front USB ports (2) for a total of 5 req'd. So I skipped connecting one of the front USB ports. Small issue since a USB hub can be used.
A larger "bug" is a constant video driver issue I've been having with the nVidia 7800 GS graphics card I had installed. Vista keeps giving an error 'nvlddmkm stopped responding.' Disabling the user account control (UAC) seems to decrease it a lot.
Sometimes my monitor displays random pixels, but when I switch out and back into the DVI port, the display shows everything correctly (in 1080p). It could be my Westinghouse.
Finally, the IR keyboard and remote control aren't useful from far away since they require line-of-site (which can be tough if the keyboard is on your lap). The mouse pointer control was not very good (even when I was up close). I should've upgraded to the microsoft bluetooth entertainment keyboard which I ended up buying later.
I haven't tried the cablecard reader yet, but hopefully this won't be an issue.
The CPU fan is pretty loud. In fact at the point where it is annoying (especially if you're trying to watch a quiet movie). Aparently there aren't any upgrade options for this according to VM.
Overally the system is good, I think CNET gave a slightly high review. There are no major issues except the minor ones above, therefore I would still rate this as a good system. I found a 10% off coupon online, and got to switchover from the AMD to Intel system for free. Without this I think it would've been slightly expensive.
My overall rating is more like a 6.5 (than a 7).2 out of 2 users found this user opinion helpful.
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Waiting for my System; 2 weeks overdue and counting
by sushih on July 20, 2007
Pros: Great selection and customization of high end components
Cons: Unfortunately, high-end components are back-ordered, delaying your order beyond the original estimates
Summary: I'm still waiting for my computer. I'm currently 2 weeks overdue. While customer service is nice, i've still checked in regularly with them the entire 2 weeks. ...
Summary: I'm still waiting for my computer. I'm currently 2 weeks overdue. While customer service is nice, i've still checked in regularly with them the entire 2 weeks. Looks like i'll have to call them again next week, as another estimate has lapsed. They don't really stock any accessories, and some high-end components may be on backorder. Unfortunately for you, they will not assemble until all parts are ready (even if its an external accessory like ethernet cables). I would talk about the PC, but I don?t have it yet. I am just being strung along- I initiate the updates, and each time get a similar back-ordered excuse for another 2-3 day extension. And all the while, i've been watching some of the prices go down- I could have ordered the same machine 2-3 weeks later and saved $700, and still have been at the same place- well? maybe a little less angry.
Specifications
- Manufacturer: Velocity Micro
- Part number: GRANDTHEATER
- Bottom Line: Velocity Micro's first full-fledged home theater PC pulls very few punches in providing a complete digital media experience. It's big, it lacks a built-in audio receiver, and it invites PC gaming into the living room, which has never been the best fit. It's also the victim of a few Vista-related growing pains. On balance, though, Velocity Micro has as complete a home theater PC as we've seen.
General
- Width 17 in
- Depth 16 in
- Height 6.8 in
- Desktop type Gaming-friendly system, Home theater PC, Media center system
Processor
- Type Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad Core 2.4 GHz
- Installed Qty 1
RAM
- Installed Size 2 GB
Storage
- Hard Drive 2 x 400 GB - Standard
Monitor
- Monitor Type None
Multimedia Functionality
- TV tuner type Analog TV
Graphics Controller
- Type Integrated
- Graphics Processor / Vendor NVidia GeForce 8800GTS
Audio Output
- Sound output mode 7.1 channel surround
Miscellaneous
- Included Accessories Remote control
Operating System / Software
- OS Provided Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Manufacturer info
- Velocity Micro
- Manufacturer profile
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- Website: http://www.velocitymicro.com
- Address:
467 Southlake Blvd., Richmond, VA 23236 - Phone: 800.303.7866
- Email: Info@VelocityMicro.com
- Fax: 804-897-4777







